WEBVTT 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:17.000 Greetings everyone. And welcome to the Division of Environmental Biologies Virtual Office Hour for the Month. 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:23.000 Today's topic is environmental biology research and the bio economy. 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:30.000 As always, if you have questions along the way. You're welcome to use the QA function in Zoom. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:40.000 And type in your questions and we'll get to them towards the end of the webinar. 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:50.000 We are joined by some distinguished guests today to help us understand the bio economy and opportunities for our PI community. 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.000 And so, Karen, would you like to introduce yourself? 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:59.000 Yeah, thank you very, very much, Jeremy. I'm Karen Cohen. I'm a science advisor. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:06.000 Or the, office of the assistant director and bio in the bio directory. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:07.000 And Brent. 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:14.000 Thank you, Jeremy. I am Brent Miller. I'm also science advisor in the Office of the Assistant Director in the Biology Directorate. 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:16.000 Welcome everybody. 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.000 Martin. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:28.000 Everybody, my name's Mark. I'm a AAA fellow, science and technology policy fellow, also in the biology directorate in the, office of business and record. 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:37.000 Thanks so much. I'm Jeremy Wajac, in the population and community ecology cluster within the division of environmental biology. 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:41.000 And we're also joined by Chris. 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:45.000 Hi everyone, Chris Bala Krishman from the Systematics and Biodiversity Sciences. 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:56.000 Program in DEB, I'm mostly lurking in the background today, but if you happen to have a off topic or on topic question about systematics, I will be here to answer it at the end. 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:04.000 Excellent. Thanks everyone. As always, our virtual office hours are facilitated by Christina Washington and Megan Lewis. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:14.000 I'll make sure everything works smoothly and is organized and make us look. Okay, reasonably good. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:23.000 Just a couple of reminders before we get to the topic of the day. You found your way to this virtual office hour, but we have them monthly. 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:33.000 And so just a preview of some upcoming topics we in February, we're gonna be talking about, opportunities for research in freshwater and marine environments. 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:41.000 And, helping Pi's in those topics understand where at NSF to send their research ideas. 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:51.000 In March we'll be talking about translating foundational research into communities through civic engaged research. 00:02:51.000 --> 00:03:00.000 In April we'll be talking about all things broadening participation. In May, we'll talk about the ever popular career solicitation. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:06.000 And then in June, have sort of a skill building. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:18.000 Topic about merit review and how to get involved and what that process looks like at NSS. 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:26.000 So. In addition to our virtual office hours, we also have a division blog called debrief. 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:36.000 You can see the URL there. So a way that we can communicate out to the, PI community about things that are happening in the division. 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:45.000 But also note that if you do miss a virtual office hour, we post recaps and still you can find information about things. 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:57.000 That you may have missed or things that we've done, months gone by. Which can help you, sort of fill in the gaps. 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:03.000 And then lastly, on the NSF main website, if you scroll all the way down, nsf. 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:16.000 Dot gov, scroll all the way down. Denoted as sign up and that allows you to get information about topics that you choose 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:23.000 And beyond that, if you are not yet serving as a reviewer or panelist. And you'd like to. 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:30.000 There is a URL there where you can describe your own experience and expertise. And make us aware of you. 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:43.000 It's a great way to help the community, but it's also a great way to learn about the review process and the proposal process. 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:51.000 Also just a set of reminders. Few deadlines coming up for solicitations relevant to this community. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:05:01.000 Our core programs no longer have deadlines, but, there's a program called incorporating human behavior and epidemiological models. 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:11.000 With the deadline in February. And the mid career advancement. I'm solicitation with the deadline in March. 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.000 Appropriate for you, check those out. 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:22.000 Without further due to the topic of the day. 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:26.000 Thanks, Jeremy. I'm going to start out again. My name is Karen Kone. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:32.000 I'm a science advisor. In the directory for biological sciences here at NSF. 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:39.000 And, I wanna thank you very much for signing in everybody. I'm excited to see the number of people who are here. 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:50.000 And we want to tell you about an exciting opportunity for you as the research community. To get involved in helping shape the future of research in the country. 00:05:50.000 --> 00:06:04.000 Or advancing the bio economy. So this opportunity. Is part of an it should have excuse me an initiative we are calling Which stands for catalyzing across sectors. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:11.000 To advance the bio economy. So I'm gonna start out. Next slide, please, Jeremy. 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:29.000 With some definitions because that word bio economy often stymies people. And so I just wanna give you some, so a little bit from the lexicon that was put together by our colleagues at the National Institute of Standards and Technology abbreviated NIST. 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:38.000 And so NIST identifies the bio economy or defines the bio economy as economic activity. Derived from biotechnology. 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:47.000 And bio manufacturing, which that takes us to the next 2 terms. What's the definition of biotechnology as we're going to talk about it here. 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:58.000 And that is defined as technology that applies to or is enabled by. Life science, innovation, or product development. 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:06.000 And biotechnology can result. Or be. Be associated with. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:16.000 Bi-manufacturing, which is the use of biological systems. Such as biotechnology to produce goods and services. 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:23.000 At commercial scale. And the reason we're talking to you about all of these terms Next slide, please, Jeremy. 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:33.000 Is because these really undergird what we have been thinking about as we developed the Costa Bio initiative. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:41.000 So here's a little background for you. Possabio was inspired. By the executive order. 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:53.000 With a very long title called advancing biotechnology and bio-manufacturing innovation. Horace's sustainable, safe, and secure American bio economy. 00:07:53.000 --> 00:08:04.000 This was released in September of 2,022 by the White House. And it laid out the executive order which we will probably call the EO. 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:13.000 Laid out a grand vision to advance biotechnology and bio-manufacturing through foundational and use inspired. 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:23.000 Research and development or RID. In 5 areas or what we're gonna call themes. And so these areas or themes are climate change. 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:36.000 Food and agriculture, supply chain resilience. Human health and then a bunch of cross-cutting advances that are needed to kind of push things forward in those 4 areas. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:51.000 So the EO called out this grand vision. That was supposed to be in the executive order enabled by collaboration among government, industry, and the private sector. 00:08:51.000 --> 00:09:02.000 So that sparked our thinking. About how do we make that kind of collaboration happen. And we initiated the Kosovo activity. 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:10.000 So Jeremy, next slide please. So first let me tell you a little bit about what Casabio is. 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:21.000 It is a collaborative. Facilitated activity with multiple stakeholders that include government agencies, federal funding agencies. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:27.000 Industries, non-profits, and y'all as members. Sorry, I'm from the South. 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:39.000 I say, y'all. So you all as public sector members of the research community. The overall goal for Costa Bio is to bring life to the vision. 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:53.000 Of the bio economy executive order. But we have big challenges here because the vision, if you all read the bio economy EO, you will see that the vision put out in that executive order is huge. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:10:02.000 And at our second challenge is that if we are supposed to be collaborating among agencies, industries, nonprofits, and the academic research community. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:21.000 Everybody has their own individual goals. So our solution and our challenge that we need to meet is to seek synergy through collaboration by identifying areas of mutual interest and trying to work towards those mutual areas. 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:29.000 Mutual interest. So next slide please. Okay, just give you a little view of our action plan. And I know that there's a lot of words on this slide, but I'll just. 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:45.000 Walk you through it. Our starting point, as I said, is we have multiple organizations. We want to have them collaborate with one another, but everybody's got their independent goals. 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:52.000 And where we want to end up is the endpoint where we have a common vision about how to advance. 00:10:52.000 --> 00:11:00.000 And So step one in our process is alignment. So that is to try and bring the groups together. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:10.000 To align their interest to identify areas of research that might be shared among our groups and then to use that to identify challenges within the theme areas. 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:16.000 We're calling them the sub-themed challenges. And then use that to frame a call to action for you all. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:31.000 The research community. Which goes to step number 2, which is engagement. So we cannot do this without your help and so we want to use that call to action. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:39.000 Presents what we came up with as the sub-theme ideas and then ask you to tell us, are we on the right track? 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:53.000 What have we forgotten? What are your better ideas than our ideas? And then we'll take that information and go to step 3, which is to bring your feedback back to the groups. 00:11:53.000 --> 00:12:04.000 And try to identify priority research ideas that have highest potential for cross organizational collaboration because that's what we're all about here. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:11.000 And then finally, we will come back to step 4, which is then to take those priority research areas. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.000 Present them back out to you as the research community and then ask and then catalyze and facilitate a set of workshops. 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:26.000 That will help you all create roadmaps. For the research that's relevant to those priority areas. 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:32.000 So at the end, what we're hoping to have is a set of roadmaps. Of priority. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:46.000 Research to advance the bio economy. What you can see in the little pictures at the bottom is ideally these roadmaps would have interest from multiple research agencies or agencies and industry or agencies. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:57.000 And and non-profits, but they would end up at some, some different. Starting points and some different ending points to advance the bio economy. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:05.000 Jeremy, can I have the next slide? Because if I put this in sort of picture format for those of you who really to that kind of format better than text. 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:17.000 Our alignment face has We're all of this is bringing people together. So collaboration is gonna be catalyzed by bringing these various communities together. 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:24.000 We have had 2 meetings already for the alignment phase to bring together the funding agency reps with industry reps and nonprofit reps to explore the broad areas. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:39.000 With shared that in which we have shared interest to sort of look and see where is there the potential for synergy or collaboration. 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:50.000 How does this relate to those themes that were laid out for us in the bio economy EO and then create a call set of calls to action. 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:55.000 Which Brent will tell you about a little bit more in a second. And then our next stage to engage you is those call to action are calling you to come attend town hall meetings. 00:13:55.000 --> 00:14:09.000 We're gonna have 4 of these. You'll hear more about them in a few minutes, but they're we're basically going to present these sub themes to you. 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:16.000 Ask you about your ideas. And get your input. And then as I said before, we'll take that input. 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:24.000 Bring it back to the groups. For a set of synthesis meetings that we're where we'll try to identify the priority areas. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:33.000 Next slide, please. That will be the topics of a set of advancement workshops. Probably 5 to 10 of those. 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:50.000 We're not sure of the number yet. It kind of depends on what the topics are. And this is another opportunity to get you back into the mix of the research community to bring you in to have you talk about these topics to get your ideas about how they could advance the bio economy and then to think about how to give us guidance. 00:14:50.000 --> 00:15:07.000 By creating roadmaps or how to advance that in the future. So I'm gonna turn over the microphone to Branch who's going to kind of give you an idea about where we are in the process so far. 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:08.000 Rich. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:15.000 Thank you, Karen. Welcome everybody. I am so delighted to see a hundred 3 people on this, on the zoom call. 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:23.000 That's fantastic. It's really nice to have you here. So I hope Jeremy, next slide for me, please. 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:31.000 So I hope you may be asking at this point where we are in this process or in developing the executive order themes. 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:39.000 As Karen mentioned earlier, 5 broad themes were defined defined by the bio economy executive order and those are shown here. 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:50.000 At the December alignment mirror a meeting that Karen already has gone through representatives from federal funding agencies industry and nonprofits join together to identify the sub theme research and development challenges. 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:59.000 And some of those are we're gonna show you on the next couple of slides. So Jeremy, next slide, please. 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:07.000 So here are a few of the sub theme challenges identified at the alignment meetings. Each of these areas were chosen for development because There was shared interest from more than one organization. 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:21.000 As Karen mentioned. And in many cases, many organizations had interest in these areas. So I'll give you give you a bit of time to read over the few representative sub-thes. 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:31.000 That fall under the executive orders. Themes climate change and food and agriculture innovation. But as you're reading, I'd like you to take notes of a couple of important points. 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:39.000 First, The sub teams represent the organizations we have in the room. And we understand that this is a limited set of ideas. 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:44.000 One of the first objectives of Cassabio is to increase the number of sub-theses. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:51.000 As stakeholders in this activity, we're asking. For your help in doing this. And I'll say a little bit more about this in a minute. 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:58.000 The second point that's really important to remember. The individual sub-thes are relatively broad themselves. 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:06.000 That is, each one alone covers a lot of ground. Especially when thinking about how your research may fit into one or more of these subteam areas. 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:18.000 And we're gonna be looking to you for your input on this points too. And I'm gonna tell you a little bit about more that in later slides, but first let's take a look at the other 3 EO sub-theses. 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.000 Next slide, please. 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:27.000 Here's some additional areas that aligned with supply chain resilience, human health, and cross-cutting advances. 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:34.000 Again, we realize that these ideas only begin to really scratch the surface of what must be done to advance the bio economy. 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:41.000 There's a lot of white space here. Is another way of saying it. We need collective input from the research community to provide more ideas. 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:47.000 Both at the sublet for sub-them level, which is what you're looking at here, and to flesh out these sub teams. 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:59.000 To let us know what you're excited about. And what you're ready to work on. So, So let's take a little bit, little bit more of what we need from you on the next slide, please, Jeremy. 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:11.000 So now it's your turn. In a few days, are ww. Website will be fully fleshed out with all of the sub teams that were developed in the alignment meetings. 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:18.000 From our first set of stakeholders. And again, these were identified as multi-organization interest areas. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:37.000 Thank you, Megan, for putting the the website in the in the chat. So it's important, remember, you are a stakeholder in this activity because you are the ones with the expertise, the interest and the willingness to do foundational and use inspired research and development to drive the bioconomy. 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:42.000 And so at the end of this week, we hope that you can take a few minutes to check out the sub-team's we've identified. 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:48.000 Again, they'll all be on the Casa Bio website and tell us what we missed at the subject level. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:53.000 Next slide. Please, Jeremy. 00:18:53.000 --> 00:19:01.000 Within those identified some teams we'd also like to tell you. We'd also like you to tell us what keeps you up at night. 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:10.000 What can telling questions or consider you considering? Or you'd like to consider in the future. How would you solve big bio economy challenges laid out in these sub-tees? 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.000 Again, in a few days. casabio.net website will be fleshed out with all of the sub teams identified thus far. 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:25.000 The website will give you guidance on how to submit your ideas on compelling projects that will line with these sub-names. 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:32.000 And so I wanna stress this next point for everyone. As a member of the R&D community, you 2 are a Casa Bayo stakeholder. 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:39.000 And providing your insight on R&D projects that undergird these sub themes and that lead to future solutions is critical. 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:48.000 Your ideas will matter. I can't say that strongly enough. Your individual project ideas and those developed as part of the collaborative town hall process. 00:19:48.000 --> 00:20:04.000 Which I'll cover in the next slide, will be combined to produce an aggregate view. This view will help us understand not only the interest of the R&D community, but also will But we'll also, you will be willing to advance about how you will be willing to advance the bio economy. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:25.000 After analyzing your input, the topics among the R&D projects, ideas that we receive from you will help the government, industry, and nonprofit stakeholders see the potential of the US R&D community to address cute critical future needs and will help define projects and topics for future explorations through the workshops and road mapping exercises we have talent. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:28.000 Next slide, Jeremy. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:36.000 So this is your call to action. Will be holding 4 virtual town halls in the month of February to gather your input. 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:42.000 All the town, all of the town halls will be the same. But they are offered in different dates to accommodate different schedules. 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:48.000 You'll be able to register for the town halls at our website, as I said, ww. 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:56.000 Dot. If you will be willing to jump in immediately and provide research ideas, the website will give you that opportunity. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:04.000 At the town halls, you'll be able to interact, collaborate with others to discuss your research ideas and let us know what you're thinking about. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:10.000 There'll be opportunities to document new ideas that we hope spring from your interactions at these count halls. 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:23.000 And with you interacting with your other participants. Really what we're looking for is before, during, and after the town halls, we want to hear your creative ideas and insights on the bio. 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:30.000 And research and development areas. The website will contain links for you to share your thoughts on all of this. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:38.000 Remember, you are a critical stakeholder in this activity. Will bring all your ideas back to the reps of the funding agencies, industry and nonprofits. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:46.000 To seek synergy among them and identify priority research areas to focus focus. On for future workshops and roadmapping. 00:21:46.000 --> 00:22:02.000 And we really, really, really don't want you to miss this opportunity to be involved. So at that point, I'll stop and we'll open it up for questions on the next slide, Jeremy. 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:11.000 Before we start the questions, can I would just like to acknowledge that when we say facilitated activity. Our facilitators are no innovation. 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:20.000 And they are amazing and talented group of people who know how to bring out the best and all of us when we are trying to collaborate with one another. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.000 So thank you. 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:28.000 And now Brett and I will be glad to take your questions. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:39.000 Excellent. We have a, an easy one to start with, which is. Are the slides going to be available after today's meeting? 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:45.000 And the answer to that is yes. The slides are going to be available on the DEB website. We plan to do, we're holding this same set of the same virtual office hour 2 more times. 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:58.000 One later this week or we've co-opted all the divisions. Slots, so MCB. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:07.000 Website where our Virtual office hours will also host us. This week and then we'll have another virtual office hour hosted by iOS next. 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:17.000 On the eighteenth, next Thursday. And after that, we'll post all the slides. We'll do a recap and make that available to you as well. 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:25.000 And that recap will include some of the highlights of these. Questions and answers. So you for your colleagues who might have missed. 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:34.000 Any other virtual office hours they will have access to. Are with the wisdom, the collectivist. Thanks. 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:45.000 Alright, thanks Karen. Brent, I think it's question for you. So what extent and when do, my PIs begin to initiate external partners? 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.000 In the process. 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:54.000 So right now I think the best advice we can give you is get the message out for these meetings. Let people know that these town halls are happening. 00:23:54.000 --> 00:24:01.000 Tell your friends, tell everybody you can get a hold of to be really honest. That's what we're looking for is to communicate the activity right now. 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:12.000 As we said, this is a process. And the ideas that you're going to give us will add to the process and will become the output of this will become much more rich. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:17.000 And as Karen mentioned, what we're looking for at the end of this is a different as a set of roadmaps that represent different areas. 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:28.000 We don't know what those areas are yet. And so if you're talking about extending or getting a external partners involved in the process. 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:34.000 Let them know, but as far as getting external partners with yourself and what research and the ideas that you're going into this, I would actually wait a bit until the ideas are more developed. 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:44.000 And those will happen later in the year and a fiscal year, 2024. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:53.000 Thank you. Alright, Karen, I've got a question for you queued up. The question starts with this is a lot. 00:24:53.000 --> 00:25:03.000 Which I think is accurate. So the question is the food and agricultural innovation will have some relationships with the USDA. 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:10.000 Perhaps but has the potential to be even more exploratory and cross cunning. Any comments on? 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.000 That space. 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:27.000 That's a great observation and absolutely this is very big. These and in fact when we put together the slide to give you a sense of some of the cross cutting themes that we had come up with. 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:43.000 There it was really hard to parse the things that are really related only to food and ag. From the things that also cross over to climate change or from some of the things that cross over to other areas, say in workforce development or data infrastructure. 00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:58.000 This is a very big interwoven. Set of themes and so yes we we realize that and that's why we need lots of different Points of you coming to the table. 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:11.000 To help us figure out where are the most important strategic ideas that we could, explore. 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:02.000 Hmm. 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:08.000 So I will point out that USDA was one of the partners in the room with us when we had our first meetings. 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:24.000 And so they have been critical. They've given us critical input and they are going to be involved in helping at the synthesis phases as well. 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:33.000 So we had Actually, I don't think Brent mentioned the number, but we had 15 industries, our 15, agencies. 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:44.000 In the room and 10 industries when we. We're talking in our initial meetings. So thank you for that question. 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:52.000 I should have mentioned this earlier, but, just in case it's helpful, if you see a question in the question and answer. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:58.000 List that you share there's a little thumbs up button if you hit that it'll Push it higher in our list of questions. 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:15.000 So we'd be sure to get to the most common ones first. That being said that there's a very good question here if NSF does not see the term byoeconomy as a company encompassing all biodiversity research. 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.000 Why not? What do you think, Karen? 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:25.000 Oh, I think we do see biodiversity research as part of the bias. As playing a role in the bio economy. 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:29.000 One thing that I can think of I'm a molecular biologist but also I collaborate with a lot of people who are biological engineers. 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:47.000 And I can think about biodiversity from a molecular perspective as really thinking about how do we discover all the parts that we might be able to use in biological engineering or in engineering biology. 00:27:47.000 --> 00:28:03.000 To sort of put together new types of biotechnology. So that's one way. And I think that y'all know because this is environmental biologists that we're talking to, you know how critically intertwined climate change and biodiversity science is. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:13.000 So I definitely see that by diversity science is going to be critical to aspects of the bio economy. And I would not want anybody in the division of the bio economy. 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:22.000 And I would not want anybody in the division of environmental biology community to say hands off not this doesn't really be critical to aspects of the bio economy. 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:27.000 And I would not want anybody in the division of environmental biology community to say to say hands off, not this doesn't really apply to me because it really does. 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:28.000 We're all involved in trying to advance the bio economy in our 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.000 Over. 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:37.000 Thanks, Karen. Brent, I think I have a question queued up for you. Oh, I'm so the, a lot of these activities are leading up to these final roadmaps. 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:46.000 Somebody asked what are these roadmaps? Going to be used for? Is this leading towards NSF? 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:53.000 Program solicitations or funding calls or. Funding opportunities with other agencies. 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.000 Where are we headed? 00:28:55.000 --> 00:29:06.000 Happy to answer that one. Thanks, Jeremy. Really the idea behind these roadmaps is to clearly demonstrate where multi agency interest is. 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.000 Where multi stakeholder interest is. And get that out to the community as broadly as possible. So who do I mean by the community? 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:20.000 Basically anybody that's we're gonna try to make these very widely available. We've had some conversations with some of the professional societies to make these roadmaps more clearly visible. 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:33.000 The research communities. But really what we're hoping is that we can use these as levers to pull inside agencies. 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:43.000 For our own funding needs. So showing that we have interest within specific areas. Is really, really important for us inside agencies. 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:51.000 In order to set where our priorities are and it's really important for us to know where the community is and that's why we're asking you to. 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:57.000 To way into this conversation. 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:06.000 Thank you. There's a couple of questions about, international. And partners. 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.000 I'll take one of those. I'm happy to. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:16.000 Yeah, go for it. So it, is it possible to invite international partners or contributions to these? 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.000 Activities at this stage. 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:29.000 Absolutely. There is nothing blocking anyone from participating in these town halls. In fact, we want the greatest number of good ideas and we realized that outside the United States. 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.000 There's great ideas and we want to hear those. So we want those to be part of the conversation. 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:41.000 So yes. We've actually had internal conversations and how we might bring international views more into the conversation. 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:55.000 This is one way to do it. Is at these town halls those people should participate. Has her hand up. 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:48.000 Yeah. 00:30:48.000 --> 00:31:00.000 Yeah, and I, I'm looking at Osc's website and somebody asked a question about global centers and the theme for the next round of global centers is bio economy. 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:06.000 So there's an opportunity. Waiting for you. Okay, done. Sorry, Brent. 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.000 Yep. 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:14.000 Nope, that's great. So what we're looking for. 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:30.000 Hmm. See. Oh, another question. What are the opportunities for integration and synergies with other NSF divisions like 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:36.000 Or many others that we could think of. 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:33.000 Thanks. 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:46.000 There's this is I'll take this question Jeremy. There's fabulous opportunities and in fact there were 2 participants at our first set of meetings from engineering and one was from CBET. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:32:00.000 And so they're very and and we have across NSF I don't know if everybody knows this but there's a bio economy coordinating committee across NSF that includes representatives from all of the directorates. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:07.000 And so all of the directorates are buying in. To this. This Kosovo activity. 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:13.000 And Brent, did you say something about OSTP? In your, we didn't say anything about OSTP, but we should mention that. 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:11.000 Do you wanna say something about that? 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:19.000 No, I didn't. No. Yes. So we've had, so we've had ongoing conversations with OSDP. 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:27.000 They're helping us. Basically, align this activity with the broader activities that are going on the bi, broader bio economy activities that are going on. 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:36.000 They've been a bit of a cheerleader for us in this activity and helping us sort of navigate the pathways between all of the different agencies that are involved. 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:51.000 So yeah, OSDP is very much involved and we're very much part of the conference, the broader federal government conversation. 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:46.000 Okay. 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:54.000 Alright, the next question might. Require a crystal ball but how big of a focus will. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:03.000 Cassabio be for NSF programmatically? Is it going to be something similar to rules of life where there were a number of funding opportunities? 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.000 Related to that. That kind of theme. 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:11.000 So I'll jump in and you're right, Jeremy. A crystal ball is what it would require. 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:20.000 And I what I would like to point out is we really don't know at this stage. We're still in the very early process and you could imagine with like Karen said we had 16 different federal agencies at the table in those early. 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:30.000 Early alignment meetings. We don't know if NSF will be a part of. 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:35.000 Every roadmap, one roadmap or multiple roadmaps. We really don't know what it looks like yet. 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:44.000 We see ourselves as foundational so we can imagine that we have the ability to cover lots of these different roadmaps, but we don't know yet. 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:51.000 So again, Jeremy's right, take a little bit of a crystal ball at this moment. To see to understand where and how these would impact. 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:57.000 NSF programmatically, but our our hope is that they they basically chart out a path that we can follow. 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:03.000 And that NSF will be involved in some of those. 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:19.000 Thank you. Excellent question. Somebody poses that they're cautious that a lot of the translational or applied research at the community proposes as solutions may lack. 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:34.000 Ground truthing or exploration of potential negative environmental impacts. And that's one example, but any comments on the funding balance that MSF envisions between fundamental and applied research. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:39.000 In this bio economy space. 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:45.000 Let me let me check a stab at that and because I'm not seeing that question on my screen so I can't exactly. 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:41.000 Yeah, I'm not either. 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:54.000 Get, grab all the nuance of it, but. If I don't get, if I don't answer this right, please, please ask your question again. 00:34:54.000 --> 00:35:10.000 It's because this is a cross agency cross industry cross Stakeholder engagement opportunity. We're not really talking at this moment in time about funding opportunities. 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:19.000 We want to identify where are the opportunities for moving the science forward so that we can advance the bio economy? 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:45.000 So I think that there are plenty of opportunities. Or considering how you would do that at the foundational science level as well as at the translate on, or use inspired, which is the buzzword that the new tripipip directorate at NSF is using or at the applied level like our mission driven. 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:54.000 Agency sisters like DOE and USDA and NIH are at. So I think we're all partnering in this activity. 00:35:54.000 --> 00:36:12.000 I would say also, I think we didn't really make it really clear, but this is the first time that we've ever had an opportunity and taken the opportunity to partner across all of our agencies and with industry and with nonprofits who are interested in helping us advance the bio economy. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:17.000 We're kind of in charting new waters here. We're in uncharted waters. 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:22.000 So I think that we don't exactly, as Brent said, we don't know what it's gonna look like in the end. 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:40.000 This is where we need, why we need your input because the more voices that we can have in the conversation the more opportunity that there will be for us to envision new ways to do science to advance the bio economy. 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.000 INTO. 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:57.000 All right, next question. Dan mentions this appears to be very big. Yes, and Are there high level dates associated with? 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.000 This process and developing roadmaps. 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:04.000 So Dan, right now I can tell you that we're shooting for probably summer, 2024. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:14.000 I would say summer looks like July. August to us. We're trying to think about this for a FY 26 kind of I. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:21.000 Idea for the future. 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:33.000 Excellent. So, a question from a familiar face. Will the Cassa Bio website show which agencies industry reps and NGOs have been engaged in the discussions. 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:44.000 If it's possible to share that information, it may be helpful for the community to understand. All the conversation is developing and where in individual's input may have the most traction. 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.000 What do you think, Karen? 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:56.000 The answer to that is yes. Our website will have a list of the the agency the organizations that participated in the alignment meetings. 00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:02.000 Absolutely. And then you'll be. And then you'll be able to see, as print said before. 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:17.000 And I think that we just wanna underscore. You know, it's a, a small subset of people that could be involved in the conversation, which is why we're reaching out to you and why we really want you as the research community to help us. 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:25.000 But yes, we will tell you. Who was involved in developing those initial ideas. 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:32.000 Right. Have another question that, reflects. Both the scope and the pace, right? 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:46.000 This is quite big, but the pace is ambitious. And so somebody asks, is it possible to be included on a mailing list to be reminded of upcoming opportunities and website addresses and just. 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:51.000 Keep pace with the developments. 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:55.000 Is there a way to subscribe basically? 00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:17.000 That's a that's a good idea. We will be keeping that. I don't think that we specifically have a we won't necessarily have a list or for this particular set of activities although we will be using the mailing list of all of our constituents. 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:24.000 Partners, so we'll use Deb's mailing list. We'll use Mcb's mailing list, iOS is mailing list. 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:32.000 So if you're on one of those, then you will find out about what we're doing because we will keep you informed. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.000 If you wanna, if you're not on one of those and you wanna make sure that you're informed. 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:49.000 Feel free to email me or Brent and we will make sure that you get the word. I'm Casey Gone. 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:53.000 And I'm B miller@nsf.com. 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:43.000 Just as a logistical note, we can harvest the everyone registered here. So we have that. If you're here now, we have your contact information. 00:39:43.000 --> 00:40:09.000 I forgot to put my email address on this presentation. But I'm Casey. Then we'll, if with your permission, we'll add you to the mailing list and you can send us to your spam if you never want to hear from us again. 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:08.000 But. 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.000 Yeah. 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:25.000 Excellent. So another question. Somebody is curious why there was no representation of stakeholders that the R&D community in the early meetings or in the advancement meetings. 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:32.000 Mmm, the representation might have been useful to develop ideas at those stages. Hey, thank Karen. 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.000 Okay, let me let me. I think that there's probably just a bit of a misconception here. 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:49.000 There were no Everybody's a stakeholder. Okay, so you guys are stakeholders. The federal agencies are stakeholders, industries or stakeholders. 00:40:49.000 --> 00:41:03.000 The non-profits or stakeholders. So we started the process by trying to Have conversations among some of the groups who have never had these conversations together before. 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:17.000 So that we could come together and think about where are the shared interests of some of the. Players that could influence the Advancement of the bio economy for the future. 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:29.000 So we did have stakeholders involved. The research community will be involved also in those advancement meetings, which are the workshops that Brent mentioned. 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:45.000 So the workshops will be, will have 5 to 10 of those beginning in the summer. Those are definitely going to be workshops for you for the research community interested in the priority research topics that we identify. 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:54.000 Over. 00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:03.000 Right. Another question. There's obviously, interactions among many agencies during this process. 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:14.000 But would we consider or do you envision? Cross agency funding opportunities as a potential outcome. 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:20.000 We hope that would be my answer. And that's that's one of the main reasons that we're doing this. 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:33.000 Is to we realize that the scope of this is huge. The challenges that we're up against are enormous and that it takes more than a single agency or single organization to tackle any one of these challenges. 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:40.000 And so we're hoping that once we get a good roadmap. Or several different roadmaps of the directions that we wanna go. 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:56.000 That these organizations may come together and think about this as an opportunity to work together. So it's in the cards, we're thinking about it, but we don't know what the possibilities are yet. 00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:05.000 Look, here's a very interesting question. How can we in the research community best contribute to advancing the bio economy? 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:11.000 In addition or outside of Cassabino, so are there things that we can do right now or are there opportunities? 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:16.000 Opportunities right now. 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:22.000 That's a great question and it really makes me think. I, you know, I think you all are doing it. 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:30.000 Right now in a lot of different ways. A lot of you are involved in research. That is tangential to what we're talking about today. 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:40.000 So, yes, I think you're doing it already. Specifics on that. It's really hard to think about specifics, but Karen did put a dear colleague letter in the. 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:47.000 In the chat, maybe she was gonna elaborate on that a little bit more. 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:54.000 Yeah, I was just I was looking down at the through the questions and I saw somebody asked if the global centers program. 00:43:54.000 --> 00:44:01.000 In OS OIS, you would encompass all of the subfields of the bio economy or just a few. 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:09.000 And I don't know the subfields of the bio economy or just a few. And I don't know the answer to that exactly, but they just, but there is a dear colleague letter that's relevant to that global centers program. 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:20.000 So if you want to take a look at that, you can get the best information. 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:33.000 Right. Couple of related questions. Our small businesses, essentially able to participate or propose ideas or Envisioned as being part of this. 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:42.000 And perhaps related. Ideas that are proposed open to the public or is there any intellectual protection? 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:50.000 In the process, right, if people putting great ideas forward, but in an open forum. 00:44:50.000 --> 00:45:00.000 So I'll start off by saying that everybody is. Is open to participation. So small business. We're thinking of everybody to be involved in this. 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.000 And yes, we do want your great ideas and you do you should realize that they go. Are going into an open environment for discussion. 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:08.000 And for analysis and synthesis for the stakeholder funders. So that is part of what you should consider. 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:16.000 And participating in this. Karen, did you want to add to that? 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.000 No, I think you've covered it, Brent. I, I don't think that. 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:26.000 There's, certainly, there's certainly always going to be a lot of conversation about intellectual. 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.000 Property and. 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:43.000 Privacy of the ideas that you. Put out but I think that for the purposes of this discussion the you should assume that the ideas are gonna be shared. 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:56.000 We're, we're gonna have to work in pretty much of an open science framework. Here. 00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:04.000 Right, there are a number of questions that are fairly specific to particular potential project ideas. And I think, just given the forum, we can't dig into those at this stage. 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:21.000 Certainly welcome those. Questions and contributions and. As always, as as things get more particular, the forum for that discussion usually transitions to talking with a program of serve one on one or something. 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:17.000 A program. 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:30.000 But so we're not ignoring those questions. It's just. With a hundred people here we have to stay at a high level. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:38.000 But here's a challenging question. So someone he says, to me this seems to be too big. 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:44.000 You know what part of the economy is not the bio economy or conversely what part of biology couldn't be part. 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:54.000 I'm the bio economy. So the question really is how in addition to like who's included but the converse of how does it get narrowed down. 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.000 Or prioritized. What do you think, Karen? 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:02.000 I'm gonna start this and Brent may want to chime in. I think that First of all, the there are parts of the economy that are not bio economy. 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:23.000 They're not bio. They're not bio inspired. They're not bio influenced. But for the purposes of this, I mean, I do think that narrowing down what could be of what right now is very big space. 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:34.000 We'll come partly because we are requiring that this become a collaborative effort. So if an idea. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:48.000 Is a science idea that is supported by one agency. And no other agency has a substantial interest in it, then it's gonna be that agency's responsibility to take up that idea. 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:54.000 What we're looking for a priori is ideas where we can have Multiple stakeholders, agencies, industries, nonprofits, you guys. 00:47:54.000 --> 00:48:10.000 Multiple people have to be engaged, have to think that this is a good idea. So that's that's the first starting point for narrowing the scope. 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:13.000 In print, did I just say what I needed to say? 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:19.000 I think you've said it all. And we're really looking to you in order and what your feedback. 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:23.000 Is going to really determine. What the priorities are here. We've got a set of ideas that we've gotten from the stakeholders that we had in the room. 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:33.000 You're going to flesh those out. And we're gonna understand sort of where the mass action of this group is. 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:40.000 The R&D stakeholders is in all of these different sub-theses and hopefully that will help us point to some priorities. 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:53.000 But again, we can't, we don't have the data yet. We're hoping that you'll give us that data by participating. 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.000 Right, do we have a question? Work comment but it invokes some questions about brawning participation. 00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:24.000 So somebody mentions that. Broadening participation makes them think about communities historically excluded from scientific research. but those kinds of communities need to be considered as we're thinking about solutions and, and logistically the funding and opportunities available to participate in this process. 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.000 Karen, what do, what do you think about that? Sounds good things. 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:41.000 I think this is like, yeah, I think that this is a great comment and I think and it was part not exactly the historically the historical exclusion. 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:50.000 But definitely. There were elements of this kind of conversation that go to the sort of Social behavioral, economic. 00:49:50.000 --> 00:50:01.000 Co-generation of No, kinds of conversations. We had those conversations at some of our initial meetings. 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:11.000 And I think when you take a look. At the sub themes when the website goes. Fully functional later in the week. 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:14.000 If you look at the sub themes under the cross cutting advances, I think you will see some sub things that resonate exactly with this kind of idea. 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:33.000 Where we really need to be cognizant. Of how to build trust. And the public with ideas that come out of the bio economy. 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:46.000 Because I think that many of you probably understand that biotechnological advances are new. Can be new, can be threatening, can be seen as non trustworthy. 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:54.000 And so I think that that needs to be part of the conversation and part of the ways that we do the science as we move forward to advance the bio economy. 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:59.000 Great comment. Thank you. 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:07.000 It's it's a super comment and I'll reiterate something that Karen said it's really I think what's really important to think about there is a co-generation of solutions. 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:13.000 That everybody is involved in what the solution space is. And that's a conversation that came up in our early discussions and as part of the subteams that Karen was mentioning. 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:31.000 So we've got it. It's up to you and we're looking to your help to sort of flesh that out. 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:41.000 Right, sorting through all the questions. Thanks, so much for all of our attendees and the wide ranging questions. 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:51.000 This is sort of a microcosm of the process, right? You get a a bunch of people in the room and lots of great ideas start flowing. 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:59.000 Let's see. Perhaps a simple one. Does the bio economy encompass biotechnology and pharmaceutical development? 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.000 Yes. It's just that simple. It does. 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:06.000 Yeah. 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:06.000 Do you hear? 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:13.000 And part and part of that is because in NIH is one of our partners in this conversation. And after, yeah, I mean, NIH and FDA. 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.000 Yes. 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:23.000 Epa, USDA, they were all our DOE. They were are some of our partners in the room. 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:30.000 When we were having our conversations initially. 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.000 Alright, there's another question. Sort of recognizing the tie between some of the scientific ideas that we've been talking about. 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:48.000 But also if the people who would be doing that kind of work. So the question is, is Cassabio thinking of curriculum and economic workforce development and training? 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:54.000 That's necessary to support the kinds of innovation and biomanufacturing and bioconomy that. 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.000 That we're talking about. 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:02.000 Again, that answers pretty simple. The answer is yes. It's one of our sub themes, workforce development and how to make that happen. 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:17.000 And again, I'll look to you folks to help us flesh that out and what that really means and where you're excited about doing those kinds of things to get the workforce the future ready. 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:23.000 And Jeremy, if I could take the question from Andrea. She asked, will the bio economy relate to work being done by the animal corridor like animal vaccines in the Kansas City area. 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:34.000 The answer to that is yes, there was actually a sub-them area that was developed around that topic. 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:47.000 And so we'd encourage you to give us your ideas about. What you think about that. 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:53.000 Great. 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:59.000 I think we touched on this earlier, but maybe any other comments about the open science nature, right? 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:19.000 So obviously big public conversations. But somebody's, is thinking about, you know, how bio economy is defined and economic things in often are, you know, closed. 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:25.000 For various reasons. So, just any other thoughts about 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:32.000 Okay, about the open science framework and how it applies in this. Bye economy context. 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:46.000 I'll take a stab at this and then maybe Brent will have something to add. I think that what I meant in the context of an open science framework is that the ideas that we generate and we want to see shared are going to be shared. 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:52.000 We are not. In a position to 00:54:52.000 --> 00:55:00.000 And then I think the question also is kind of looking at a dichotomy of trying to make this an open process. 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:10.000 As opposed to the add and how that kind of, works potentially works against being able to come up with a narrow. 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:26.000 Narrowing of the topic because what we're gonna have hopefully once we've yet your ideas is we're gonna have a huge number of ideas that we are somehow gonna have to funnel down into a manageable number of ideas to move forward for those workshops. 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:43.000 In the summer. Part of that moving forward is gonna be because what we want our roadmaps we really want to understand are there areas that we haven't considered before that could really help us advance the bio economy. 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:53.000 The That is all to say. It's not that we have never had roadmaps. We've had a lot of road mapping done already that's relevant to bio economy. 00:55:53.000 --> 00:56:09.000 We don't need to redo that, right? Because we have that advice already. What we're looking for is are there other things that where are there spaces where we should be considering that our ripe for the kind of cross collaboration that we've been talking about. 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:24.000 So I think that that's where we're gonna try and thread the needle, so to speak, and try to make sure that that we can use this the sharing framework to to gather ideas and to filter. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:47.000 We are gonna have to filter. We will have to make choices. Some of the choices are probably not gonna be some of your favorite ideas, but they will be ones that meet the criteria that we laid out, which is these are ideas that the funding agencies that are organizational partners agree are things that we could get behind and work on together. 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:53.000 Over. 00:56:53.000 --> 00:57:07.000 Right. More barely targeted question to the development of tools to combat environmental crime. Potentially qualify in this space. 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:08.000 Me think Brent. 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:14.000 That's a tough one. I would suggest yes. I don't think it I think it would fall into the category. 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:22.000 I know we do have biosafety. As one of the sort of. Themes that kind of run through a number of different of our sub-thes. 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:28.000 So I think yes. It would be bring the ideas. That's what I would tell you. 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:29.000 Yeah. 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:29.000 And I would. 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.000 We're actually not closing it off to anything at this point. 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:41.000 Yeah, and I and I would say also that if you read the bio economy executive order There's a huge part of the executive order that has to do with security. 00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:49.000 Bio security. And so whether what you're considering as environmental crime qualifies for that, I don't know, but as Brent said, bring your idea, put your idea out there. 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:57.000 It'll get looked at. 00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.000 All right, we are just about at the top of the hour with just enough time to say thank you to our participants. 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:12.000 Thanks so much for coming. In addition to your involvement, please spread the word and talk to your colleagues and point them to some of the resources. 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:21.000 And a huge thanks to Brent and Karen. For bringing these ideas to our community and answering a bunch of tough questions wrapping fire. 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:27.000 We very much appreciate it. So thanks everyone. Look for the, the recap. 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:39.000 And slides, posted eventually. If you need to. Review or share these with, colleagues.